Однако префэйс см. в посте Пятница, 05.12.25, или аттачед PDF RMRK_sel файл, в справке внизу после коммента к Вячкслав Р посту. Для новых читателеей совсем подезно читать весь текст в этом файле – и все предыдущие Dzennn посты, включая пару на предыдущей стр. ветки. Кроме того в Пятница, 05 посте аттачены PDF файлы 3 основрых статей - один “The Information as Absolute” концепции [PDF F3_inf-abs ], и два файла PSIP модели. [ PDF F4_BasicPhys ] и [PDF F5_Fund_problem__25].
Сегодня очередной RG пост (2 поста, Силы-поля-энергия) кто имеет проблемв с English - Google перекладач в помощь
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Пост 1 [в текущей дискуссии появился постер который не понял о чем она, и написал несколько постов про излучение ускоряющийся зарядов. В отличие от остальных он понял суть]
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Riadh Al Rabeh , My dear Sir,
- in my [SS] post on previous page the link points to a series of SS posts in the thread “
Does a gravitational field have energy density like an electric field?”,
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, page 204, which clarify also this tread question “
Is the electron mass strictly of electromagnetic (electrodynamic) origin?”
You seems didn’t understand this; and so wrote really unnecessary post here, which shifted the relevant SS post from visible page, and further in the pointed above other thread wrote a few posts in a chat with other poster that [electric] charges radiate energy if are accelerated. What is a banal fact that in the linked thread was numerously mentioned earlier - despite that has no relations to this - and here - threads questions. At that the really unnecessary chat in the thread also shifted really scientific SS posts from the visible page.
Really the both threads questions relate
to fundamental mainstream physical problem/flaw:
- in the mainstream []from Maxwell times] it is postulated that fields of Electric/EM – and really Gravity – fundamental Nature forces contain energy [and so energy density]– just so this thread is about some “electron mass of electromagnetic (electrodynamic) origin”, the other thread is about gravitational field energy density like an electric field;
- and at that in the mainstream, [from 1898/ 1901 Liénard–Wiechert potentials] it is postulated that the charges constantly and always radiate the fields [in QED – “virtual photons”].
The fundamental problem is: for these postulates to be both true rather evidently is necessary for charges to have some sources of infinite energy, what looks as is an evident mystic for electrons to radiate constantly and always fields that contain energy is evidently [not in mainstream, though] necessary to contain some evidently mystic infinite energy. .
Again, that has no any relation to EM waves/real photons radiating by accelerated charges – they radiate part of energy that obtain at acceleration
from some outer source.
This problem is solved in the Shevchenko-Tokarevsky’s Planck scale informational physical model, see
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, section 6. “Mediation of the fundamental forces in complex systems”:
- charges of at least Electric, Gravity, and Nuclear/Strong Forces in particles - of course constantly and always - radiate the Forces mediators, intensive flows of which are observable on macroscale as the Forces fields, however the mediators
fundamentally don’t contain/carry energy. What is clearly commented in SS posts in the linked thread.
At that yeah, in a post a PDF file is in Russian - that is my comment to some poster in an Ukrainian forum, who posted an AI’s “analysis” of the PSIP model. Really AIs have too vague imaginations about physics, first of all about fundamental physics problems – as that the mainstream physics has about own, and so about real, fundamental problems - and so write about the considered/solved/clarified in PSIP moded problems really some senseless trash, which they read mostly in pop-scientific publications.
Though for me it would have a sense to discuss some problems directly with an AI, but any discussion through the posters that rewrite AIs’ texts, truly believing that they write some truth, is a senseless job. At that what any AIs write about the PSIP model is mostly the same, so in such cases in the RG threads I attach the PDF, which is well adequate. PDF is in Russian, but now web translators work rather well.
Cheers
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Пост 2
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assume that your theory acknowledges that this thing that has been called "field energy" (even if it is only a name and not literal) correctly accounts for energy transfers; at least some times, I'm not sure of what energy conservation violations you refer to....”
- again – see SS posts above – in classical [and quantum in this case] ED it is postulated that the "field energy" in your passage is quite “literal”, i.e. is fundamentally objectively existent as it is stored in the fundamentally objectively existent electromagnetic field,
- which at that both - the field and energy - constantly and always are radiated by electric charges. Most of objectively existent particles exist billions of years being completely stable, so the radiation of energy above can be in accordance with energy conservation law only provided that charges contain some mystic infinite energies.
However yeah, the postulate above allows to describe and analyze what exists and happen in EM-coupled systems of charged material objects in classical ED – and in QED, however yet on QM scale for this in QED it is necessary to postulate existence, and action as the EM-Force mediators, of some really mystic “virtual [i.e. unreal] photons”, which also constantly and always are radiated by particles charges, and – moreover - besides that carry energy, the mediators act with no regard to the conservation laws, while at description/analysis again a mystic “renormalization” technique is used.
It is evident that particles, all
fundamental Nature forces, and their charges, quite really objectively exist, and the Forces act at interactions of particles exchanging by
real mediators, etc.; how this happens on Planck scale– see initial SS&VT PSIP model linked in my posts above. , where all – the particles, etc., are quite real.
Nonetheless yeah, both – classical and quantum - ED are applied in many cases well successfully, the problems appear when physics addresses to some really fundamental things. Including the problem – so why and how these really transcendent theories are, nonetheless adequate ro the reality? - and consideration of this problem well probably will be useful at development of really scientific physics, which on really fundamental level can be only Planck scale physics.
Including relating to
“... For example, if we use the usual method to calculate this thing that has been called "energy stored in the electric field" of a charged capacitor, we do correctly calculate the amount of energy that the charged capacitor is capable of providing. You do agree with that computational success, even if the field energy is not literal, don't you? ….”
- I quite agree, if a charged capacitor is discharged, say, through a resistor, then thermal energy of the resistor is equal to [classical ED] “energy stored in the electric field" of it.
However really the energy,
E, in/of the capacitor electric field
is equal to zero, realy at charging of capacitor the energy was transmitted to the capacitor’s electrons at
moving electrons by some outer forces on the capacitor’s plates. For what a work,
W, was made to overcome the electrons repulsion [not only, but mostly] on the plate, etc. What, correspondingly, resulted in that just electrons obtain additional energy
E=W, which, correspondingly,
was stored as increased the electrons rest masses in ∆m=E/c2;
- and so, say, not a field between plates by some mystic way heats the resistor, that electrons do quite non-mystically interacting with electrons ant atoms in the resistor; at that the electrons
rest masses are decreasing, released electrons’ energy heats the resistor at cat the interactions.
Cheers
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Cheers
Вторник . 05.05. 2026, 15-30
